What are your thoughts on guns?
Sycohearted
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Post by Sycohearted on Mar 29, 2016 18:13:20 GMT
This is the bit I don't get, to argue against nico and Sycohearted: You both say that's its fine to have a gun because you might need it to protect yourself..... but why?? Nobody I know owns a gun and they have never needed to use one to protect themselves. If people in general don't have guns, then there's no need for anyone to have one to protect themselves. It seems the argument always comes back to "Oh yeah, but I might need it to protect myself some day".... really? REALLY? I just don't see this happening I'll admit that the statement " "Shoot to wound, not to kill." If you MUST kill someone, it should be for a pretty damn good reason." ... is a truly terrifying thing to read. Why on Earth are people keeping stuff around that they are knowingly thinking they might deliberately use to wound someone rather than actually kill them, then follow it up with "oh yea, you might actually kill them, but make sure you actually have a good reason first!" I'll freely say: if someone breaks into my house and tries to kill me with a gun (or a knife, tbh), I will probably die, but I would much, MUCH prefer that than the alternative. I find the idea of keeping a weapon like a gun around for the purpose of wounding or even perhaps killing them is totally abhorrent to me. -- ^Above is just my opinion, no offence intended Please think and take into consideration you don't live in the USA. You don't know what can happen here. This shit happens daily. My own neighborhood, my town, my state. And if you do, it's your choice to chose not to be safe. Here we have them. And you cannot trust anybody. It IS terrifying, but it's just facts. It's understandable that you don't have a lick of personal understanding because you've never encountered it, seen it or experienced it first hand. And if you have, I guess your will to be protected and live is just a bit different. Which is fine. Everyone is different. But, you stating that you would rather die than protect yourself is absolutely mind blowing to me. If someone breaks into your house at gun point, or knife(point?) you're just gonna be like "Oops, gonna die." ...That seems...Really out of character for you...Like...I don't know what else to say that won't sound insulting. And I can't think of a true but polite word to describe it either. Idk, that is insane to me, literally lol. Taking the option to just spinelessly give up and die rather than fight for your life against some moron trying to rob you. As long as guns in America continue to be purchasable and distributed, I will own one. Just know, I never ever would want to hurt anyone. It's not like "OH BOY, CAN'T WAIT TO KILL!" I really do hope I never have to use my gun. But for my safety, I will. You say you "don't see it happening" ...But know anything can happen. to anyone. At any point. Just because you think it won't happen, doesn't mean at all it can't happen.
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Post by ping on Apr 3, 2016 10:06:42 GMT
This is the bit I don't get, to argue against nico and Sycohearted: You both say that's its fine to have a gun because you might need it to protect yourself..... but why?? Nobody I know owns a gun and they have never needed to use one to protect themselves. If people in general don't have guns, then there's no need for anyone to have one to protect themselves. It seems the argument always comes back to "Oh yeah, but I might need it to protect myself some day".... really? REALLY? I just don't see this happening I'll admit that the statement " "Shoot to wound, not to kill." If you MUST kill someone, it should be for a pretty damn good reason." ... is a truly terrifying thing to read. Why on Earth are people keeping stuff around that they are knowingly thinking they might deliberately use to wound someone rather than actually kill them, then follow it up with "oh yea, you might actually kill them, but make sure you actually have a good reason first!" I'll freely say: if someone breaks into my house and tries to kill me with a gun (or a knife, tbh), I will probably die, but I would much, MUCH prefer that than the alternative. I find the idea of keeping a weapon like a gun around for the purpose of wounding or even perhaps killing them is totally abhorrent to me. -- ^Above is just my opinion, no offence intended Please think and take into consideration you don't live in the USA. You don't know what can happen here. This shit happens daily. My own neighborhood, my town, my state. And if you do, it's your choice to chose not to be safe. Here we have them. And you cannot trust anybody. It IS terrifying, but it's just facts. It's understandable that you don't have a lick of personal understanding because you've never encountered it, seen it or experienced it first hand. And if you have, I guess your will to be protected and live is just a bit different. Which is fine. Everyone is different. But, you stating that you would rather die than protect yourself is absolutely mind blowing to me. If someone breaks into your house at gun point, or knife(point?) you're just gonna be like "Oops, gonna die." ...That seems...Really out of character for you...Like...I don't know what else to say that won't sound insulting. And I can't think of a true but polite word to describe it either. Idk, that is insane to me, literally lol. Taking the option to just spinelessly give up and die rather than fight for your life against some moron trying to rob you. As long as guns in America continue to be purchasable and distributed, I will own one. Just know, I never ever would want to hurt anyone. It's not like "OH BOY, CAN'T WAIT TO KILL!" I really do hope I never have to use my gun. But for my safety, I will. You say you "don't see it happening" ...But know anything can happen. to anyone. At any point. Just because you think it won't happen, doesn't mean at all it can't happen. Ahaaa, love that you finally replied after 4 months lol Ok, I get that it's different in the US, and no,you're totally right, we just *don't* get this commonly over here. It's huge news when 1 person gets shot (and it's 99% of the time in a bad part of town in one of the major cities), and yes, we have home robberies, but I just don't think we respond to them in the same way. This point here: "If someone breaks into your house at gun point, or knife(point?) you're just gonna be like "Oops, gonna die." ...That seems...Really out of character for you...Like...I don't know what else to say that won't sound insulting. And I can't think of a true but polite word to describe it either. Idk, that is insane to me, literally lol. Taking the option to just spinelessly give up and die rather than fight for your life against some moron trying to rob you." I think the inherent difference is that, if someone breaks into my house to rob me, I *assume* I am not going to die. I assume this for a few good reasons: firstly, they are robbing me because they want goods to sell, not because they want to kill me; secondly, the sentence for "breaking and entering" is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY less than for murder (and dare I suggest that the police might be less bothered about catching the criminal who stole a few £££ of stuff vs someone who broke in and killed a woman?); thirdly, I'm insured. Yes, I will "spinelessly give up" and get robbed, because it's just stuff. I'm not going to KILL a person over stuff. And, generally speaking, over here, the people who are breaking and entering are of the same mindset. Here, in general, the crime of burglary is so, SO far separated from the crime of murder that we just don't associate the two. Sure, there will be cases where someone was breaking into someone's house and people died, but... it's not common. I'm just thinking that this is a circular argument: - I don't expect to be shot if someone breaks into my house to rob me. (I assume they want to steal stuff to sell, and it's not in their best interests to have a murder-hunt after them. Not only that, but even possession of the gun would lock them up) - I don't have lethal weapons on hand to use on burglars - The burglars don't bring guns because they know I'm not going to shoot them over some stuff. - I don't expect to be shot if someone breaks into my house. Whereas your argument seems to be: - a burglar might have a gun - he might shoot me as he tries to rob me - I'd better have a gun so I can shoot him first - burglar thinks, "homeowner might have a gun, so I'd better have one"
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Sycohearted
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Post by Sycohearted on Apr 3, 2016 14:06:07 GMT
Please think and take into consideration you don't live in the USA. You don't know what can happen here. This shit happens daily. My own neighborhood, my town, my state. And if you do, it's your choice to chose not to be safe. Here we have them. And you cannot trust anybody. It IS terrifying, but it's just facts. It's understandable that you don't have a lick of personal understanding because you've never encountered it, seen it or experienced it first hand. And if you have, I guess your will to be protected and live is just a bit different. Which is fine. Everyone is different. But, you stating that you would rather die than protect yourself is absolutely mind blowing to me. If someone breaks into your house at gun point, or knife(point?) you're just gonna be like "Oops, gonna die." ...That seems...Really out of character for you...Like...I don't know what else to say that won't sound insulting. And I can't think of a true but polite word to describe it either. Idk, that is insane to me, literally lol. Taking the option to just spinelessly give up and die rather than fight for your life against some moron trying to rob you. As long as guns in America continue to be purchasable and distributed, I will own one. Just know, I never ever would want to hurt anyone. It's not like "OH BOY, CAN'T WAIT TO KILL!" I really do hope I never have to use my gun. But for my safety, I will. You say you "don't see it happening" ...But know anything can happen. to anyone. At any point. Just because you think it won't happen, doesn't mean at all it can't happen. Ahaaa, love that you finally replied after 4 months lol Ok, I get that it's different in the US, and no,you're totally right, we just *don't* get this commonly over here. It's huge news when 1 person gets shot (and it's 99% of the time in a bad part of town in one of the major cities), and yes, we have home robberies, but I just don't think we respond to them in the same way. This point here: "If someone breaks into your house at gun point, or knife(point?) you're just gonna be like "Oops, gonna die." ...That seems...Really out of character for you...Like...I don't know what else to say that won't sound insulting. And I can't think of a true but polite word to describe it either. Idk, that is insane to me, literally lol. Taking the option to just spinelessly give up and die rather than fight for your life against some moron trying to rob you." I think the inherent difference is that, if someone breaks into my house to rob me, I *assume* I am not going to die. I assume this for a few good reasons: firstly, they are robbing me because they want goods to sell, not because they want to kill me; secondly, the sentence for "breaking and entering" is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY less than for murder (and dare I suggest that the police might be less bothered about catching the criminal who stole a few £££ of stuff vs someone who broke in and killed a woman?); thirdly, I'm insured. Yes, I will "spinelessly give up" and get robbed, because it's just stuff. I'm not going to KILL a person over stuff. And, generally speaking, over here, the people who are breaking and entering are of the same mindset. Here, in general, the crime of burglary is so, SO far separated from the crime of murder that we just don't associate the two. Sure, there will be cases where someone was breaking into someone's house and people died, but... it's not common. I'm just thinking that this is a circular argument: - I don't expect to be shot if someone breaks into my house to rob me. (I assume they want to steal stuff to sell, and it's not in their best interests to have a murder-hunt after them. Not only that, but even possession of the gun would lock them up) - I don't have lethal weapons on hand to use on burglars - The burglars don't bring guns because they know I'm not going to shoot them over some stuff. - I don't expect to be shot if someone breaks into my house. Whereas your argument seems to be: - a burglar might have a gun - he might shoot me as he tries to rob me - I'd better have a gun so I can shoot him first - burglar thinks, "homeowner might have a gun, so I'd better have one" Damnit, I know, I know LOL! This site slipped my mind for awhile! -- You're absolutely right on that, In fact, Not going to lie, Ping...I'm jealous as shit right now... In America? If you hear someone break into your home. I don't think: "Okay, stay calm...They are going to rob me and leave. Just stay put." ...No...70% of break in's in America end up fatal. They look for the home owner and either threaten to kill (good ending) or they kill them, then steal. Uk and US are so drastically different. And that's why this little debate is at a screeching hault. Of course you see zero reasons to have guns! Nothing ever happens in the UK! Here? It looks like a call of duty game lol. And just to point out, this: ""Whereas your argument seems to be: - a burglar might have a gun - he might shoot me as he tries to rob me - I'd better have a gun so I can shoot him first - burglar thinks, "homeowner might have a gun, so I'd better have one" "" Isn't my "Argument" ... This is my reasoning and my explanation. I'm not arguing anything, I'm not persuading you to own a gun, I'm not telling you TO own a gun. I'm trying to make you understand that it's not the same over here. It's like explaining to someone from a poor country why they should not have to drink out of puddles when there is "a sink" to drink from. I am thrilled that UK is smarter and more developed to know that by distributing guns, makes it more of a danger than a protection. But here, it's literally kill or be killed. As disgusting and feral as that sounds. I'm not standing up for America in this, I know it sucks here. But I'm not going to die because of it. I have a gun as a "just in case" ...Not a "NEXT PERSON WHO COMES THROUGH MY DOOR, I'M BLOWING AWAY!" I guess another way I look at it is: -You live in America. You know 80% of the population has guns. -You chose to rob a house with a gun. (You CHOSE to be a criminal). -You are willing to give your life away for a stolen object. -You break into the house. ~You start to steal and the home owner comes from the bedroom, shoots you and kills you. OR ~You break into the locked bedroom where the home owner is awake and aware they are being robbed. You are shot in the bedroom. The latter is me. The one above? The rest of the population. I'm not going to manhunt the person stealing from me. If they need my stuff that bad, take it. I should not have to die for an object or two. (Or whatever they take!) But once they come into where I'm hiding, you bet your ass I'm going to put up a fight for my life. At the end of the day, it's a criminal. THEY chose to break the law. It's cause and effect. Break into someone's house, you die (usually). OR the Homeowner dies! Both causes are pathetic in some way, but...That's just how it is here. I wish it were like the UK. I wish I didn't have to live in terror just walking down the street to the shops. Or having dinner with my family and having some asshole start shooting up the place. It sounds like a fairy tale, but it's real here. May just give my AK47 back to my dad and move to the damn UK lol! It would be so amazing to know that if some scrub breaks in to my house they'd only want my fine china and not killing me to get to it. I'd give any and every weapon I have to not live in fear anymore.
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Post by ping on Apr 3, 2016 17:23:07 GMT
Come live with me
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Post by Sycohearted on Apr 3, 2016 21:29:00 GMT
Come live with me I'll start packing!! And tell Axel that he better like tea and biscuits!
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Post by vessel on Apr 5, 2016 20:14:42 GMT
Me myself doesn't like guns. I don't want anything to do with them, and I'll never use one. For example, if some crazy person was after me, and I had a gun, I wouldn't use it. (Well maybe I would if it depended on my life, but eh...) Anyway, I can just kick them or something like that. For military and police - Sure they can use guns...the only thing I hate about it is police take advantage of the ability to use a gun...and they shoot 12 year olds, and people who didn't deserve to die. Guns aren't my favorite thing, and they aren't, in my opinion, so great at all. (My father and his brother always collect guns (they have a license.) My brother collects air soft guns. Doesn't mean I like guns )
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